Here is an interview with Ben Lapp, Branch Manager for Wood-Tex Products in NY.
After spending a couple years in the wilderness helping troubled teens I figured he may have some helpful insight into working people that are less than perfect, not that we ever deal with less-than-perfect people in real life…ok maybe we do.
Here goes:
1. After living in the woods for 2 years in a canvas tent are there any household items or amenities you had to learn to do without and don’t plan to use again?
I dont know if i could pin down one thing that really stands out as an unnecessary household amenity. I have however, come to learn that life can be just fine with far, far less than what we usually live with! Life can be just as filled with joy even living with no electricity in a canvas tent! For me the level of satisfaction I feel in life is in direct correlation to the level of input I give or am given relationally, so it’s far more than material objects that make or break a day!
2. What is it about the wilderness that seems conducive for breaking bad habits and lifestyles and starting over?
Simply put the wilderness tends to strip you of what you thought mattered, and helps reframe what really is important in life!
One of the greatest hindrances to our growth is that we fear losing everything and going to “bare bones.” We naturally have “crutches” and comfort zones we carry with us everywhere. Things like excessive video games, being the bully at school, being the clown at school, whatever it may be it is something that often becomes what we resort to when all else fails. But at Camp all of that gets stripped away. You come face to face with yourself in a far greater way you ever thought possible. The very basic lifestyle and the intensity of the close relationship with the group and counselors, creates an atmosphere for a guy to then become accepted at a deeper level than he ever imagined!
3. You Co-Chiefed your group of boys, so you were working with another Chief in leadership. How hard was it to see eye to the all the time and how important is it to present a unified front to the group?
That’s a journey! It is deffinitely not a marriage, but the level you need to understand each other on and the level it gets conveyed to the boys is very much like a marriage. You don’t have the option of choosing who you are with either, which is really good for the development of both of you! Seeing eye to eye takes work! Having an attitude of humility is essential to allow your co-chief to correct you, and also being able to have the balance to speak “frankly” to him if you see something he needs to improve on! Again, giving all you can and living with the mindset of making your co-chief the best chief out there is essential to get past your inherent selfishness that continually tries to dictate the way things are done!
Being on the same page is absolutely vital to the health of the group. Everything that is taught is first of all lived. Words mean nothing if there is nothing to back them up with. If the group of boys needs to learn unity then it is imperative that it is shown from the two Chiefs! Trust is demolished every time that there is a discrepancy between what the two Chiefs lead! If you want your child to be a solid adult someday it must start with solid teaching, not confusion!
4. You’re not a parent, but having spent 2 years in the woods with a group of boys that are there for bad behavior, what is one parenting tip you could give us?
Make your word mean something. Period. Just because you said it means nothing. If you have relationship and say it, then that means everything! I see it far more now after being through this journey but the Mom with the two-year old in Wal-Mart threatening him because he is not behaving has nothing more than a big stick as a disciplinary tool. She doesn’t believe in what she is even teaching him, so what is the kid supposed to think? He thinks her word is a joke because of how she lives! And he is right! If your child sees the life you live and is proud of you and sees you as “legit,” then he or she will follow even if there is minor disagreements!
5. What are some ways you have learned to de-escalate a situation involving people that are ready to eat each other?
First of all you need to firmly believe that the two people at conflict inherently can become good people. They might not be saying it or living it, but that is the truth. Make all further comments reflecting that truth, and do everything to attempt to understand why each person is saying or feeling what they are. They have a life-story too!! Maybe if you knew it then it would become clear why there is conflict! So look beyond the intensity of the moment to the person inside, and then speak to that “inner man” in each person!
6. What was the hardest adjustment you had to make to lead your group effectively?
That I am far more selfish than I ever realized! I might have an idea on a way something can be done, or that a problem can be solved, but that doesn’t mean it’s the best way! Just being willing to humble yourself and to get the input from those around you is huge in leading the group! To lead the group with their best interest in mind all the time is the absolute goal! It’s one of those things you don’t realize about yourself but are so thankful later that it became exposed for what it really is! I’m still learning this every day!
7. What are some ways you promoted buy-in when deciding what actions you were going to take as a group?
Planning is problem prevention. Let me explain it now. If we would just put on plans to cut firewood every day we would have really struggled to get any of it done! You want to lead their hearts, not just lead them. So, you need to be wise in how you talk it and get their input as well because you can have the best spirit splitting wood if you can have their commitment and effort to get it done! What we would do as a group is plan to have a work schedule, like splitting wood, and then do something fun that all the guys were interested in doing after that so that we can help them have commitment while working! Another huge factor in the “buy-in” thing is that if you want your boys to believe in the project, then it is imperative that you believe in it first!! You cannot lead others where you are not first willing to go!
8. What is one of the most misunderstood realities of troubled teens?
They really want to be good people, they just don’t know how! Either they have been wounded from people around them, or they feel left alone. But bottom line is that they dream of becoming good people!
9. If you had your last 2 years back, would you do this again?
ABSOLUTELY! I would give it all I have and more! I look at the impact it’s had on my view of life and even if I had not impacted any boys I would say it was worth it just for issues in my own life it brought out that I needed to get through! If anyone is thinking about going, i’d say “GO!”